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| Friday, November 14, 2003 - 08:31 am |
I note with interest that many "Monkeys" have declared war on one of my countries, Barsoom.
The war declarations followed an act on my part which I acknowledge to have been provocative: I declared war on a country of a departing player who was an ally of the Monkey federations. There is no law against taking the countries of departing or inactive players, and the player even confirmed to me that he was leaving. It's also true that several Monkey's have taken countries of inactive or departing players from other federations. BUT, that being said, it is very true that federations usually jealously guard the assumption that they will themselves dispose of the countries of departing members and not let possible enemies take them. The reaction of the Monkeys is not, therefore, surprising or unreasonable. But what to do about it...
It's interesting that they declared war on Barsoom. That country is not my original or most valuable country - had they wanted to react in a truly aggressive way they would have declared on my "name" country, Erehwon. Barsoom is not a member of a third fed or other group. It's possible that the choice of country was calculated to get me thinking without provoking an all-out response from me or my allies. I could be giving the Monkeys too much credit for diplomatic subtlety, but I don't think so.
Here's the rub: In the communications with the Monkeys since this began, the messages between me and they have been reasonable and pleasant, but nobody has said that if I do back off of their former allies country then they will back off of their war on mine. If I think that they are careful enough to make a well-thought out plan to head me off by threatening one of my countries but not provoking a world war, then I have to assume that they are also careful with their messages and the failure to provide an exit is intentional.
| Friday, November 14, 2003 - 09:46 am |
It is important to note that the country you declared on was already claimed and declared on by a Monkey member.
It should also be noted that said country is right in the middle of our region "Taylor Desert" which is packed full of Monkeys. If you took the country, it would be the only non-Monkey country in the region. Taking that country would be considered the beginning of an invasion.
| Friday, November 14, 2003 - 10:15 am |
Matty, I wrote clearly and publicly above that my action could be provocative. Privately, I told Jackle that I somehow missed his own declarations of war on SKP Sun (I still can't find them).
My actions now must depend on the situation - but what the situation is remains unclear, as I point out in my first message.
| Friday, November 14, 2003 - 10:42 am |
Yes, you did say "provocative", and I "clearly and publicly" heard you.
I was just including the details that you omitted.
| Friday, November 14, 2003 - 10:47 am |
probably because skp changed tha names too fondue 1 and 2 somthing like that but he gave us the monkeys dib's on his countries first and i always look at the country that im attacking before i declare on it :P
| Friday, November 14, 2003 - 11:04 am |
This message from Faith:
"from your response it clearly shows that you have double standards - why did grey (not wanting to single him out - but best example) try to take over a country in land range of mine and kodiak's? is it right for you and not anyone else....we need to make sure that if this is a golden rule that all parties stick to it and not when it suits.
I don't think anyone said anything about making this ground range thing a "Golden Rule". Erehwon is free to declare on whoever he wants, and we're free to declare on whoever we want. As it stands.
This situation is different from when I declared on Avalanche/Neburo because:
1) The country that I declared on was not a member of your fed. As Erehwon noted, it has been common practice to pass abandoned countries on to fellow fed members.
2) The country that I declared on was not being given to any members of your fed. He posted on the BB that anyone could take his country.
3) I only found out that it was in your ground range when you messaged me and told me after weeks of a stalemate. Only reason I wanted the country was to drain its weapons out of it so I didn't even pay attention to where it was situated. I'm confident Erehwon was completely aware of where SKP star was though. The same place where all our major countries are.
It should also be noted that I never did actually take the country, or even attack it with more than one navy fighter (to keep the war alive). I tried to use my declaration on the country as a bargaining chip so that you'd let me take other distant, inactive countries without your interference.
| Friday, November 14, 2003 - 12:34 pm |
Jackle: Wait... Did you declare on him or him on you? I may have failed to notice it because of the name change (not that I'm proud of missing an amateur trick like that).
Matty: You are right that the situations were somewhat different - one difference is that your action was not met by declarations of war on your homelands but only on the country in question.
| Friday, November 14, 2003 - 01:21 pm |
Confirmed, I generally change my name when declaring on friend or foe. It doesn't stop determined folks from finding out, but can buy you a few hours sometimes
| Friday, November 14, 2003 - 01:43 pm |
Crap! I'm not sure if its worse admitting to getting fooled by that little trick or pretending that I saw it but was stupid enough to wade into this mess anyway! :o)