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W3C - Peaceful Countries - initial implementation

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Grey

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 04:23 am Click here to edit this post
What difference if a player has one or four CEO accounts?
What difference if you have 1 person with one CEO or 4 people with 1 each?
For f**ks sake, there are only 140 of us on here, how many countries do the 600+ presidents control?


There are 2 main reasons that multiple accounts are bad:

1) A person could abuse all but one of his accounts for the benefit of the one. There are many effective ways to do this, but I'm not going to share them with you. ;-) This is unfair to people who only have one account, and is bad for the game. Every CEO should be contributing to the economy and the game.

2) If a talented and knowledgeable player gets ahold of multiple accounts he can bypass all the admistrator attempts at keeping a balance of power in the game. Whoever spends the most has the most power. It's a bad cycle which ends up with, as I said, the disillusionment of many at the benefit of the few.

Mistaken Legacy of the Elk

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 04:23 am Click here to edit this post
agreed. Thats my main concern as well.

Multiple CEOs dont bug me so much except for their ability to influence war. Protection against biding is easy enoug to manage, most of the time.

Muliple president accounts , to put it simply, suck. The only time they dont bug me is when they are used to move in countries from the free worlds - keeping them around to avoid rebellions and award penalties, and to always win avoids the competitive nature of the game.

Plague

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 04:52 am Click here to edit this post
Still waiting for my refund.

Hectors Dream

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 07:12 am Click here to edit this post
scracth that, greys erply was far more lucid. Hes right. My difficulty in caring about inter-CEO competitivenes smade me forget to mention that. *slaps himself*

Port Royale

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 12:17 pm Click here to edit this post
In my 4 CEO accounts I have 520 corps, and only 25 of them are weapons corps.
I build and sell whatever is in demand and will make a profit, and if you look at them you could hardly say they are making money.

If you inspect my CEOs you will see that each has a common product class

Alpha Industries-----Mining
Beta Industries------Leisure & Communications
Cappa Industries-----Food & Farming
Delta Industries-----Construction

They are all in a common market along with Port Royale and my brothers 2 countries.
Our main aim is to supply our countries and to make them prosper.

I would imagine that in the beginning every president also had a CEO and did exactly what I have done to help my country but as countries transferred in from the free worlds and bought their massive arms corps with them and tried to conquer more countries, presidents realised they would have to build more and more weapons corps to counter this.

I have seen some countries belonging to some of the top players where the industries are all weapons.
Those are the ones you need to worry about, not the CEOs with multiple accounts, many of the top presidents have 20+ countries.

I acknowledge that they have put a lot of time and effort into reaching that stage and don`t begrudge them doing so, but don`t tar all CEOs with the same brush.

Many of us just want to do the best we can for our countries and the world without trying to influence or aid the aims of others

Hectors Dream

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 01:13 pm Click here to edit this post
"Massive arms corps" existed long long before any country transferred into GR.

Presidents cannot effectively stockpile weapons. The corporations close. They need to be injected with cash. Only CEOs can do this.

Supporting once CEO account with another CEO account(s) is yucky (for exmaple, selling alll supplies needed by corporation B from corporation A at 50% below market price using the common market). Some people do this, one top player in particular. Hwne he wins an award, he switches which account is the buyyer and which the supplier.

using multiple CEO accounts aggressively as bidding machines is also yucky.

I realize that your interested are purely, or almost purely, economic, port royale. Unfortunately not all players are the same. Multiple CEO accounts can be used to circumvent a lof of the built-in balances of the game, and used in unfair ways.

Find a way to remove this ability, and Ill happily remove all my objections.

As has so often occurred in the past, restrictions are needed to stop the crappy players from playing crappily. The ones who get hurt by these rules are those like you, royale.

Suggestiosn to fix this while retainign legal multi-ing might be to make award penalties/rebellions hit all accounts, and to tie in the finances of multiple CEO accounts together...along with enterprise expenses. For award purposes, each account could be treated as a 'division' (yours are already naturally divivedd into different sectors)

It is far simpler just to make them illegal.

Cerulean

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 12:06 pm Click here to edit this post
Don't think we didn't have a 2nd and 3rd plan.

Both now rendered useless due to...what else? Jozi's interference.

Congratulations Erehwon, so long as you keep buying, your empire is invincible.

Avondale

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 12:30 pm Click here to edit this post
not just erehwon matty :)

You havent gotten around to taking that break I recommended yet. Things might change. I might be joining you as well, although I feel bound to help out some of our baby members. perhaps I can convince most of our fed to take this break, and leave only our baby growing members active.

I am tempted to offer your challenge, using neither my empire nor one of my strong defensive countries. But I already know that no one would seriously take me up on my offer.

They know as well as I do what the result would be. They just dont always like to admit such things on the boards :)

If I happen to be wonrg here, id love it if a reader would care to take me up. We could work out the details.

Erehwon

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 02:02 pm Click here to edit this post
The amount of legitimate manipulation that can be done with a single CEO in conjunction with a President is already big. Each additional layer of CEO accounts is a multiplier. If multiple large CEO accounts are used in conjuction with a large country empire as well as a Common Market, the economic fect is amplified. The chief constraint is time - a CEO with 400 corps is an absolute bitch to handle properly even without using it to support a President or another CEO. Two or three of them would drive me insane.

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