| Monday, December 22, 2003 - 11:43 pm |
i cant buy any oil. immediate orders are put on waiting list. so why is trading system showing huge surplus? those numbers should be RED.
i have got oil companies selling 15 points under market value, but this damn thing just wont sell. even with immediate order issued somwhere else, these corps wont let it out. price will soon hit under 100E$, oil industry will go to hell, followed shortly by everything else. this game just keeps on hitting its players with neverending nasty surprises...
*some juicy words begins to fly around while thinking that sleep would be better option than losing time with this*
its near midnight here, which might be the reason for the mood im in.
| Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 12:31 am |
Oil is broken. I have Corps who consume the commodity Oil. Those orders continue to go unfulfilled, even with the "surplus". Yes, I to change the order to "Immediate", but that seems "broken too". So, the Corps sits idle. 0% of Oil in its supply quantities. And the backorders just sit as well. Why is it with just Oil? Who knows? I even manually placed orders for Oil at the maximum allowable price offer. Guess what.... unfulfilled. (sigh)
| Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 01:41 am |
its not broken. I think.
1. Some players are messing with the market in attempt to save it (or at least their own corporations).
2. Almost all the oil on ther market is offered by humans. Almost all of this is offered far above market price.
Normal orders go unfilled, regardless of surplus/shortage. Only immediate orders should work, and even these dont work at the times in the month when the empires are mass-buying oil, due to the way the market works.
The oil market sort-of illustrates what I want to happen to most other products: When eerything is sold at a high price, either the buyrs, or the sellers must lose profit. muahahaha. Zero sum systems, baby!
| Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 01:54 am |
and by the way:
Your immediate order for oil has been executed.
Since there is no delivery time for this product, the product is already delivered and added to your stock.
no problems. Just natural markets.
I dream of the day when everything is sold by a human. then maybe I can use the game to support economic arguments ;)
| Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 06:21 am |
| Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 08:30 am |
seems i still dont understand how market works. what is criteria for product to show in surplus or shortage? market avaliability surely isnt, because immediate orders should get through immediately and not after some time, nomatter what tactic the seller employs. if he/she offers product, nomatter the price i should get it. it seems that oil is not avaliable on market, but still shows surplus. but i KNOW there is at least some on market. if you dont belive me, look in Moss champion. two corps selling 6 and 7 points under market price and still with unsold product. dont tell me this is as it should work. something is messed up. if it isnt that is even worse, because someone can obviously prevent my corps from selling products even if my offer is much cheaper than his.
my previous order got through, but new one is again on waiting list. i can get products that are in shortage by immediate order, and unable to do so for those in surplus?
| Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 09:34 am |
Use the strategic order system for your corps if in trouble maybee?
| Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 10:00 am |
i am exploiting this feature to full extent. but with low oil prices i cant afford selling outside world market, by doing it i would seal their fate. i could contract in high quality supplies in order to sell at even higher price, but right now i dont know what is going on and will wait till i figure it out. dont want to waste resources on what it seems already lost cause. if they close anyway, 1-2T debt isnt a problem, is it?
| Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 10:05 am |
I think a lot of players use CEO oil corps to supply their electric corps etc with a steady cheap supply. Having a CEO and a country is a huge advantage,
really people should be allowed either one or the other.