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Provolone's war with Axis mundi WG (NG2)

Simcountry: Simcountry Bulletin Board  Provolone's war with Axis mundi WG (NG2)

Grey

Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 10:24 pm Click here to edit this post
So a question for you hymyland:

Were you supplying the biggest cheater in recent history with weapons during his war against our fed because A) you sympathize with people who copy their countries and want to defend those copies? Or was it B) a passive-aggressive action against our federation?

We'd like an answer soon.

Hymyland IV

Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 10:53 pm Click here to edit this post
none of the above.

Grey 5

Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 11:24 pm Click here to edit this post
Well there is no question that B is true. It was a passive-aggressive action against our federation whether it was your main motivation or not. You were knowingly assisting a cheater, and knowingly acting against our federation.

So if neither of those were your main motivation, then what was?

Hymyland IV

Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 11:41 pm Click here to edit this post
Well since you asked nicely.

First, I don't believe in being passive aggressive while playing this game. Secondly, I don't beleive that it's your place to dole out punishment for cheaters. If he was cheating, and I don't know if he was or not, then you should have reported it to the gamemaster and let W3C decide what to do. I'm sure the main reason you were after him was something else. The cheating was just a good justification.

Thirdly he asked me nicely for help, and since I don't have anything against him, I helped where I could. I've even been known to have sold weapons to one of your fedmates, before the skp thing got started.

Grey 3

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 12:00 am Click here to edit this post
W3C was contacted, and all but one of his illegal copies were deleted. His cheating was the sole reason for military action, because directly before he did it, he was on very good terms with our fed. He may have even been a member, but I'm not sure.

It should also be noted that this wasn't the first time Kenneth cheated. He was already on his second chance.

Player-imposed rules and reactions to those rules are not uncommon and can even be argued to be essential to this game.

You did knowingly act against our fed though, without even attempting to get answers to these misperceptions that you had. And that won't be forgotten.

"I'm sure the main reason you were after him was something else."

You seem to have a habit of jumping to conclusions.

Grey 3

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 12:16 am Click here to edit this post
Actually I'm pretty sure that Kenneth's situation has been discussed in your federation.

And wait, what is this?!?!? Why, it's you pledging to "dole out punishment for cheaters". And who would that cheater be? No other than Kenneth Tan. And what would your punishment be? To kill him.

Looks like your gig is up. See you around.

Hymyland IV

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 02:06 am Click here to edit this post
As for jumping to conclusions, you assumed I did, But in fact I was simply asking a question. So who's jumping to conclusions?


Look at what I said: "If that time comes when josi doesn't listen, Can you then name them? So i can help kill them." Now I had assummed that jozi did act since I didn't hear anything further. As you say , I now know this as fact. So the matter was settled and moot when you began your campaign against him. Note how I was only in on it, if Jozi failed to do anything. You clearly state that jozi did do something, and what was done sounds fair enough to me.

Actually there was no discussion of the matter in any of my feds, hence how the misunderstandings began. I was never told whether I could help him or not, nor given any guidance on the matter.

Grey

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 02:41 am Click here to edit this post
Earlier in this thread you said "If he was cheating, and I don't know if he was or not, then you should have reported it to the gamemaster and let W3C decide what to do. I'm sure the main reason you were after him was something else.

In essence saying that we shouldn't do anything on our own in the matter. Which contradicts your own willingness to commit vigilante justice. Double standard anyone?

W3C left his main in tact, and left one of his illegal copies of that country in tact. Obviously he still gained something from cheating.

He has cheated repeatedly, and I don't think the only punishment for that is to take away some of the spoils. If someone robs a bank, you don't just take most of the stolen money back do you? No, you make sure that person doesn't rob any more banks. W3C failed to do that. And I'll note again that this was already his second chance.

"I was never told whether I could help him or not, nor given any guidance on the matter."

You never asked. You just knowingly and purposely acted against our federation's interests without discussing anything with us first.

Hymyland IV

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 03:24 am Click here to edit this post
"You never asked. You just knowingly and purposely acted against our federation's interests without discussing anything with us first."

Isn't that what you did when you declared on kenneth, and when SKP declared on fully completly?

"In essence saying that we shouldn't do anything on our own in the matter. Which contradicts your own willingness to commit vigilante justice. Double standard anyone?"

My willingness was only if W3C route failed first, which they did not

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