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Hymy's Public Statement regarding the decision to be peacefull

Simcountry: Simcountry Bulletin Board  Hymy's Public Statement regarding the decision to be peacefull

Blue

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 09:31 am Click here to edit this post
If you only made your stolen country peaceful to keep it from us, then why haven't you deregistered it? Can you really convince yourself that you know anything about this game when your one and only country is something you couldn't even achieve on your own? Comfortable with your position as a leech?

Green

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 09:36 am Click here to edit this post
Odd how even Erehwhon himself didn't defend you here.

hymyland

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 09:47 am Click here to edit this post

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I'm confident even your PAC allies could tell us all what a lie that is. You were telling Avalon in IRC not too long ago that you were enjoying this war.




My exact quote was that it was entertaining, I did not say I was enjoying it, and to some degree I was simply being polite to Avalon who I respect unlike the rest of you losers


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If you only made your stolen country peaceful to keep it from us, then why haven't you deregistered it? Can you really convince yourself that you know anything about this game when your one and only country is something you couldn't even achieve on your own? Comfortable with your position as a leech?




Thought about deregging and continuing the war but I can't. It won't let me.


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oh the strat bomber bug
its only a bug under certain circumstances. the weapon itself isn't a bug.




Then why did avalon quote an example of the bug from Hymyland V's newspaper?


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That is untrue. One player who we couldn't contact via IRC while he was doing it to stop him, launched a few attacks with strats. Not nearly enough to seriously damage your country, and it stopped long before you put the flag up. So it couldn't have weighed into your decision. We didn't even want to TAKE your country. As you well know we were using it to drain the PAC's air defenses.




What you call a few attacks took my war index down below a twenty. And that is a lie because avalon has already publicly stated that the 12M's intended to take hymyland V.


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You should remember me hymy im wildcoast




I only remember the name, As I have said, I left KB disagreement on KB. I'm sure whatever it was that happened between us, you deserved it.

hymyland

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 09:50 am Click here to edit this post

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Odd how even Erehwhon himself didn't defend you here.




I'd say that was open to interpretation. However I did address that issue in my opening post. I do fear that I have alienated erehwon with my lame attempt to protect.

But what is done is done.

Ciaran

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 10:05 am Click here to edit this post
What you call a few attacks took my war index down below a twenty. And that is a lie because avalon has already publicly stated that the 12M's intended to take hymyland V.

It's not anyone's fault that your index can drop so easily but your own.

Perhaps you should read more carefully. We were going to remove the PAC's air defenses using your country (and would have if you hadn't weaseled out), then we would have conquered your stolen country. If we wanted to use bugs to take it, as you claim, believe me the war would have ended ages ago.

Thought about deregging and continuing the war but I can't. It won't let me.

That isn't deregging. That is trying to get rid of your peaceful status. I'm sure that w3c isn't forcing that account to remain active.

Now for the contradictory statement of the day!

I've never enjoyed the war aspect of the game, at all.

compared with...

I Can dabble at war on the free worlds where the war dynamic is more balanced by the fact that the warlords cannot always dominate due to resets.
Yes the war aspect is important, I won't deny that. However I don't have the time for war.


Sounds to me like the only problem you have with war is that you suck at it.

Oh, and this is from your other thread:

The monkies were seriously abusing bugs in the war model in an attempt to finish it off, as well as wear down my allies air defense.

Lies. The way we were taking out the defense was not a bug and you damned well know it.

Also from the other thread...

I conquered Middle Kingdom on my own, so blame me, not my allies who were only trying to help secure a peaceful conclusion.

So, don't like war eh?

Green

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 10:11 am Click here to edit this post
Damnit, didn't mean to post under that name.

Spring Dice

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 11:16 am Click here to edit this post
I dont really like getting involved much in posts like this. I will only add a few brief statements which I feel compelled in my own defense, and to correct a misinterpretation of somethign I have said:

The monkies can be damned I don't care what those lying bastards think.

I am sorry that my opinion is irrelevant to you, hymy. And I challenge you to find an untruth in anything I have written on the boards. Not just recently - ever.

What you call a few attacks took my war index down below a twenty. And that is a lie because avalon has already publicly stated that the 12M's intended to take hymyland V.

Nevertheles, It was still only a few attacks.

The player involved was one whom we almost never speak to in IRC or on a messenger client, and who must not have read the messges concering the issue for the beginning of the war. Luckily for all parties involved it stopped after about 20 minutes.

If you think that we wante dto take the country before itw as removed from erehwons federation, you are crazy. I beleive eskons precise words were that if anyone did so, he would kill them himself.


The monkies were seriously abusing bugs in the war model in an attempt to finish it off, as well as wear down my allies air defense.


Incorrect. Simple as that. Not only incorrect, but a very easy way to denigrate what was in actuality an increibly carefully concieived assault involving incredible cooperation, strategy, and hard work on our side (and very likely, both sides!).

Each and every target was examined, probed, and attaked in force with the utmost care (most of the time). The details of the assault were planned not only during the attack, nor between game months, but dicsussed months ago. we were in fact analyzing the counties in that country long, long ago.

If you still think that We intentionally were using bugs with the aim of conquering countries, add up the resouces stil visible in our federation. I believe there are around 5000 startegic bombers which never left their airports.

Likewise Im not sure if anyone else still quite understands the other possibliites that that flaw revealed. Jozi certainly doesnt!

If my federation members had truly intended to use ANY of these errors, the war would have ened in precisely 2 game months. If you dont believe that, go and stare at the weapons hanging around in our countries fora little while. I dont think ill bother defending myself from such accusations any more.

The example I quoted for jozi was intentional. It was offered for its recentlnes, and as an acknoweldgement of what happened. It was menat to be somewhat-subtlely conciliatory. I am sorry that it failed in this effort.

I realized that the monkies would conquer it, and that this was key to the successful execution of their war.

It certainly was planned, and important. Nothing (likely) that we coudl conceive of could or would have saved it from destruction, although there are actiosn which coudl have been taken that would have done it. We jsut didnt think that you or your allies WOULD take them, and possibly would not even realize what could be done. The chain of events bore this hypothesis out.

Predicting that your country would be permitted to become invulnerable to conquest mere moments before it could be conquered was not possible.

I believe you were the one who talked about actions whihc were legal in-game, but dishonorable. If the account of events I am receiving from a number of people is largely correct, I think what happened with SKP/fully qualifies as one of them. I think the conquest of Middle kongdom also qualifies (who, by the way, was completly clueless aboutw ar and had never fought an active before. He was a very, very confused player, but was certainly no threat to you, or to anyone - except himself)

I wont bother to express an opinion about tagging as peaceful during war. W3c made the option available andit is little surprise to me tha players facing conquest will avail themselves of it, even if w3c thinks they wont for some ungodly reason :)

I will try not to make any "wild accusations" hymy, but I would like to keep the name-calling and nastiness on the boards to a minimum. "Lying bastards" and "gutless cur" are both good exmaples of thigns I dont want to see.

I will ask my federation members to leave this thread alone, as I fear nothing constuctive will be said. I dont think theyll be happy about it, but to the extent that we need defending, I think defense has been offered.

Spring Dice

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 11:20 am Click here to edit this post
I ask that all members fo the 12 monkeys leave this and its mirror thread alone.

You may feel a need to defend yourselves, but 1) I think we should all be comfortable with the facts as they stand evident, combined with logical reasonsing based on them , and 2) If you have anything to say to hymy, you can use the private messaging system.

I dont like nastiness on the boards, no matter who originates it. Lets all just kill each other (or tag as peaceful and run away! ;) - sorry! ) in a civilized fashion!

Hymyland V

Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 08:42 pm Click here to edit this post

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What you call a few attacks took my war index down below a twenty. And that is a lie because avalon has already publicly stated that the 12M's intended to take hymyland V.

Nevertheles, It was still only a few attacks.

The player involved was one whom we almost never speak to in IRC or on a messenger client, and who must not have read the messges concering the issue for the beginning of the war. Luckily for all parties involved it stopped after about 20 minutes.




There were 13 strat attacks, that is not a few. Secondly one of your allies did it. As far As I'm concerned all the monkies are guilty because of his actions. I have no proof that he was actly independantly.



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Thought about deregging and continuing the war but I can't. It won't let me.

That isn't deregging. That is trying to get rid of your peaceful status. I'm sure that w3c isn't forcing that account to remain active.




Isn't that what you were suggesting?


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Now for the contradictory statement of the day!

I've never enjoyed the war aspect of the game, at all.

compared with...

I Can dabble at war on the free worlds where the war dynamic is more balanced by the fact that the warlords cannot always dominate due to resets.
Yes the war aspect is important, I won't deny that. However I don't have the time for war.


Sounds to me like the only problem you have with war is that you suck at it.




Your right I don't enjoy it because I suck at it. Like that took a rocket scientist figure out. I simply don't have the time to be good at it. I can dabble at it somewhere easier and it might improve my enjoyment of it. The fact that I'm still willing to try, should make you happy and it's hardly contradictory. It is simply just two different aspects of the situation.


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Oh, and this is from your other thread:

The monkies were seriously abusing bugs in the war model in an attempt to finish it off, as well as wear down my allies air defense.

Lies. The way we were taking out the defense was not a bug and you damned well know it.




You haven't provided anything to me other than your word it wasn't a bug, and your word doesn't carry any weight with me.



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I conquered Middle Kingdom on my own, so blame me, not my allies who were only trying to help secure a peaceful conclusion.

So, don't like war eh?




Defending myself from a ruthless thug, in no way proves I enjoy war.



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The monkies can be damned I don't care what those lying bastards think.

I am sorry that my opinion is irrelevant to you, hymy. And I challenge you to find an untruth in anything I have written on the boards. Not just recently - ever.




I'm quite sure that you have been careful not to get caught in any public lies. However years ago, on FB you lied to me in private. It was the first Time I ever realized that a lotta things you say are just carefully crafted to suit your current agenda.


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If you think that we wante dto take the country before itw as removed from erehwons federation, you are crazy. I beleive eskons precise words were that if anyone did so, he would kill them himself.




More lies, I reference these quotes.


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And he was a principle target, but for a completely different reason than you were.





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ive offered loads of peace treaties to those countries most vulnerable and hardest hit. You arent one of them, but we had planned to take 2 of your countries from day 1.




Both of those quotes were regarding the taking of hymland V and provolone. And they predate my leaving Erehwon PAC


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The monkies were seriously abusing bugs in the war model in an attempt to finish it off, as well as wear down my allies air defense.

Incorrect. Simple as that. Not only incorrect, but a very easy way to denigrate what was in actuality an increibly carefully concieived assault involving incredible cooperation, strategy, and hard work on our side (and very likely, both sides!).

Each and every target was examined, probed, and attaked in force with the utmost care (most of the time). The details of the assault were planned not only during the attack, nor between game months, but dicsussed months ago. we were in fact analyzing the counties in that country long, long ago.




Then provide evidence that it is not a bug.


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I believe you were the one who talked about actions whihc were legal in-game, but dishonorable. If the account of events I am receiving from a number of people is largely correct, I think what happened with SKP/fully qualifies as one of them. I think the conquest of Middle kongdom also qualifies (who, by the way, was completly clueless aboutw ar and had never fought an active before. He was a very, very confused player, but was certainly no threat to you, or to anyone - except himself)




If Middle kingdom was so harmless? Why didn't he sign one of the two peace offers i made? Why then did he refuse to explain himself? Why did He fire the first shots? All he had to do, was not shoot at me, and he would still have his country. I would have never fired first. I simply don't understand what it is you think I could have done to avoid the Middle Kingdom Scenario.

You could have avoided dishonor of the SKP affair quite easily.

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