| Friday, December 05, 2003 - 07:45 pm |
Some of the games ive played people REALLY exploit bugs in the server. it pisses me off cos there always extensive one. EG would be the equicelent of Getting 500Billion for nothing and they keeep it then wen asked by the mods deny it.
Then When they here of the Bug they go and try to replicate it. Ruins the Game for everyone else, cos the top one spot is usually taken up by a cheater.
| Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 01:00 am |
Erehwon are your allies going to return the 9 countries they stole with a worse bug then any strat bomber bug?
| Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 01:03 am |
I just got an email from deanforamerica.com titled "Whack the PAC". Is it a sign? =]
As far as the bug goes, I don't think the effectiveness of Strat Bombers combined with nukes is necessarily a bug. But what IS most certainly a bug is that even though I have my auto-defense unchecked, my Defensive AAMB randomly recall themselves. ALL of them. That's why the strats got through before. I had 0 DAAMB at targets. Now I have a minimum of 178 DAAMBs at every target, and I'm on Avalon's 2-hour nap schedule so I'm almost always around to redeploy if need be. I think THAT is a bug that shouldn't be exploited (we've agreed not to do it to Cyriac even though his DAAMBs are randomly dissapearing as well), but if someone chooses to do so then all bets are off. =]
I hope I haven't revealed too much Avalon. I know you frown on sharing specifics while the war is still active.
| Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:03 am |
I just got started up in this game after being away from it for a year.
I had the #1 ranked country a goodly number of times before I quit playing (for work-related reasons) and fought more wars than I wanted to.
(Never started one against an active human player, though.)
Avalon was up to his war-mongering tricks back then, too. So was Hand of God.
I fought both of them and led a coalition that opposed them for quite some time. Hand of God ending up joining our Fed.
I have to say that both were trustworthy opponents. If they said something, I learned that I could trust them to keep their word and speak the truth.
I've seen Avalon, in the midst of a war in which he was outnumbered and had to strike quickly in order to win completely change his attack plans because he found out his first targets were being run by a player on vacation - who wouldn't be around to defend himself. To this day, I thought that was mighty cool.
They've been as helpful as my old federation mates have been.
| Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 11:56 am |
David, I appreciate your gracious words. to be honest, at the time of the evnts you speak of, I did not even think anyone noticed my actions. That you not only noticed but rememebr after all this time is very gratifying, at long last *smiles*
I find myself in a somewhat similar position now.
For those who are curious and not directly involved, the flaw/bug was first employed by a member of my federation on a few attacks on Cyriacs country, stardust. After reviewing his papers, cyriac retaliated on the weakest country he could find, grey, which was weak due to another bug (lol), the redeployment of his defensive batteries.
Eventualyl he ran out of Strategic bombers. At about the same time, eskon disovered something similar, also quite on accident , atacking erehwon's coutnry gondolin.
At about this time, we all put 2 and 2 together, and invited Cyriac into IRC for a chat. We combined our knowledge, agreed not to use it on each other unless it was used first, and both sent emails to w3c asking for clarification and possible action.
Since then, neither a member of the 12M or cyriac has used this. It is not a case of security on the side of the 12M - our reserves of strategic bombers are larger than the totals held by all other players combined - and it is a moral action by cyriac as well.
this to me is a good thing, since compared to the times Lorien reers to , very few players seem willing to abuse a stupid bug(s) that games like thsi inevitably have. I realize that this may be due to teh realization that if such bugs are abused, then retaliation in kind will follow, rapidly ldeaing to armageddon (no, were nowhere near armageddon yet...not the kind that would follow in that case). Id like to think there is more to it than that, though.
So far only one player has emplyed such attacks since the events described above (scorpion/galactus/etc), but it is plausibile that he doesnt know whats happening, just as we didnt at first. If his actions continue then retaliation will follow, but hopefully they will not.
Id just like to restate that most players will not be involved in this conflict unles sthey choose to be, and even in that case clemency will be offered most of the time, if desired (re: treboria, touris).
the 2 empires declared upon were probably 2 out of the 3 toughest empires in the game (apologizes to other empires who feel slighted ) ,not counting the 12M, rather tahn a collection of weak players who might have easily been preyed upon until the 12M were a truly unstoppable force.
Id also like to note that things have not gone as I expected. For the most part, I think I am pleased with the results. I hope others are as well, I know that some of those involved on 'the other side' are enjoying themselves.
This is the largest simcoutnry war, ever, by far. the only one with more active playrs occured on fearless shortly after the world began, and the only one "comparabnle" in terms of armies involved was between KKnD and my allies on Fearless as well.
Elle..if youre reading this...remember fighting with me then? *nostalgiac* Running this conflict has been about 100 times more difficult. I find that the challenge also pleases me, although my brain might fry if it doesnt end in a week or so.
I am as open to requests for (non-military )assistance and advice as I have always been.
Good luck and cheers to all involved, hopefully things wil remain as civil and mature as they have generally been so far.
| Monday, December 08, 2003 - 04:24 pm |
I am puzzled as to what bug I have been accused of exploiting. I only use strat bombers on exactly 1 round of attacks and then our fed was informed of the agreement not use them. I held off future attacks until I verified with Grey(Matty). I haven't used them since, they are parked in their hangers. Now on the GC council forum I am being accused of using another bug. The only weapons I have been using have been Naval fighters, naval helis, and subs. I have not even used seals on my opponent in the war yet, and I knew about their invincibility prior to declaring. So Navy weapons are out now I am to presume. Outside of throwing rocks from their yachts, which my citizens cannot throw very far, which weapons are allowed in the Queensbury rules? If we are to go back to just warring with just free world weapons then why pay to be on this world. Naval weapons were the original draw to this world.
| Monday, December 08, 2003 - 04:46 pm |
Seals are far from invincible. I've sent you details about the bug to your country "Galactus." For reasons I'm sure you understand I don't want to post it. Bugs in this game are like nuclear weapons. We agree not to use them on each other because utter chaos would ensue and I'd rather not be handing out nuclear capabilities to the public. =]
| Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 01:53 am |
if youd like to see the diference, try throwing 10k navy fighters and helis at matty per shot, and youll understand a lot better. They shoudl certainly get through if a few hundred can do it, eh?
I respect your comments and actions , galactus. I did not think that what you were doing was intentional("So far only one player has emplyed such attacks since the events described above (scorpion/galactus/etc), but it is plausibile that he doesnt know whats happening, just as we didnt at first")
Some iof it is very silly. and mattys right, they are like nuclear weapons.
I sort of like this fact as well, as things like MAD suddenly become real. Maybe actual nuclear batteries should be much more devastating and hard to defend against
| Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 04:28 am |
They've now changed the RDUs as well as the seals. For all intents and purposes, the war aspect of this game does not exist any more for major players. Conquest is all but impossible. Perfect timing for the PAC. Right when we were ready to finish off their defense.
Our weapon stockpiles are rendered useless. There's no point anymore. If we spend months more and come up with something else, the rules will just be changed again. I just wasted hundreds of hours of effort. I quit.