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Erehwon

Monday, December 01, 2003 - 08:50 pm Click here to edit this post
Smoking is such a horrible and dangerous habit!

You know what I do when I get the urge to smoke?

I light up! Ugh!

Hectors Dream

Monday, December 01, 2003 - 10:15 pm Click here to edit this post
STOP DROP AND ROLL!

LYTO Rep

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 12:20 am Click here to edit this post
What are your political leanings?

1 minute test. 10 questions.

The World's Smallest Political Quiz

Click on the box with the arrow.

Unitedfools

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 12:58 am Click here to edit this post
jackle i never new u were an aussie :)
ya i have seen the ban on the news and shit, but aparently its been banned in victoria for like a year and it has had good results. well i don't smoke and never plan to so i got no probs :D
where in this great big island of ours do u live :P?

Emersonia

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 01:24 am Click here to edit this post
I wrote a decent guest-op piece for the local paper not long ago dealing with the Patriot Act/collapse of the 4th Amendment in modern America. A few excerpts:

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... While most of the American population may not be affected by the government watch lists created by the Patriot Act, all Americans should be wary of the uses of espionage. Recently, several employees were fired from a major US corporation after the company used a clause in the USA Patriot Act to justify intercepting workers’ emails. Allegedly, the emails contained ‘negative comments’ about their employer. This use of online espionage cost these workers their jobs, and more importantly, their right to free speech.

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No nation desires to create a cage for itself. When we limit our ability to freely communicate in the name of ‘security’, America becomes what we, the people, detest. Our ancestors did not fight against oppression so that our politicians could limit the freedoms conceived 228 years ago. The USA Patriot Act reeks of tyranny and must be abolished.

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Just some thoughts.

Zodiac Aries

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 04:59 am Click here to edit this post
Thoughts....

Patriot Act: Some major local elected officials were recently implicated in a scandal to allow a strip club to exist after extensive payoffs. They were caught in a major sting only because the Patriot Act exists. I know that it's purpose is for terriorists but if it busts other REAL lawbreakers so be it. What do liberals have to worry about unless you are a terrorist?

Zodiac apache

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 05:48 am Click here to edit this post
I love it when totally partisans spew their spunk: MaBo posted "Basically, United, here in the U.S. the right-wing has recently taken control over the Presidency, the Senate, and the House of Representatives. SORRY MABO, THEY WERE ALL ELECTED BY FELLOW AMERICANS. They have a lot of power and are using all that they can trying to enter religion back into the gov't I WOULD LIKE YOU MABO TO SUBMIT PROOF OF THIS AT SOME POINT, successfully roll back privacy rights WHICH RIGHTS SIR HAVE YOU LOST IN PARTICULAR? OR ARE YOU JUST SPOUTING OFF?, trying to appoint judges who liken homosexuality to bestiality NO CONSERVATIVE JUDGES WHO DON'T LET CRIMINALS GO FREE LIKE LIBERALS LIKE YOU WOULD, violating international human rights laws LIKE JAILING THOSE WHO WOULD KILL YOU AND ME FOR NO REASON THAT YOU AND I WOULD CONSIDER ACCEPTABLE?, making power-grabs while they have the upper hand AGAIN, GIVE EXAMPLES PLEASE, pushing against abortion rights A PARTSAIN RIGHT WHICH I DON'T AGREE WITH YET I DON'T SEE THE ERA DEFEATED...DO YOU?, adopting a new policy of pre-emption A MATTER OF POLITICAL OPINION I WOULD THINK, etc etc etc bla bla bla. YADA YADA YADA YOUR OPION WHICH IS BASELESS

I love it when totally partisans go on the offensive :)

Mabo continues...Freedom is quite literally on the attack here in America YES FROM LEFTIST LIBERALS LIKE YOU WHO WOULD LIMIT MY FREE SPEECH IN THE NAME OF YOUR FREE SPEECH. YesAnd not only from Al-Quaeda. At least that's how I see it. I have an idea Erehwon is probably referring to PATRIOT Act type stuff though. A piece of legislature that was pushed YES PUSHED BY A VAST MAJORITY OF SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN....YOUR ARGUEMENT IS SUCH A JOKE through after the 9-11 attacks which gives the FBI a lot of controversial powers that they didn't have before GIVEN. Power which they incidentally haven't been using against terrorism nearly as much as they have been against non-terrorism cases.AGAIN MABO, EXAMPLES ARE APPROPRIATE HERE...OR IS EVERYTHING YOU SAY MERELY.....DOGMA? YES, I LIKE IT WHEN PARTISAN PEOPLE TALK OUT OF THEIR ARSE.

Hectors Dream

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 06:45 am Click here to edit this post
THEY WERE ALL ELECTED BY FELLOW AMERICANS.


I can think of at least one important 'conservative' member of our govenernemt who was appointed rather than elected through a demcratic electoral process, but rather selected through a judicial one. Cant you? ;)

Regardless, I think the term 'take over' can be applied accurately to an electoral sweep. Im pretty sure matty knew how most of the representatives he was talking about came to power. Im also sure that he appreciates your efforts to make sure he understood the basics of the political system in his own country :)

I love it when totally partisans go on the offensive :)

That comment would have been less amusing if you had not chosen to reply in nearly Exclusively CAPITAL LETTERS*.

I wont speak for matty; though I feel capable and perhaps a bit eager, I fully expect him to answer your questions in detail.

That is, if I havent given him enough to think about in SC to keep him busy :)

*WHEN PEOPLE ARE CALMLY DEBATING A SUBJECT RATIONALLY, THEY DONT NORMALLY TYPE IN ALL CAPS. OF COURSE, SOME PEOPLE HAVE CRAPPY KEYBOADS WITH THE CAPS LOCK FROZEN, AND SOME OF US HAVE SUFFERED BRAIN DAMAGE WHICH PREVENTS US FROM DISTINGUISHING CAPITAL LETTERS FROM LOWERCASE LETTERS, OR TWINKIES FROM A RUBBER SINK PLUNGER. ALL THE MORE REASON TO LAMENT THE INCREASE IN THE ACCPETED LEAD IN OUR WATER.

MaBo

Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 04:46 pm Click here to edit this post
Should have known what I was getting myself into. Oh well, from the top:

LYTO Rep, I've seen the libertarian quiz that you posted thrown around the internet for almost 2 years now, and I'm still surprised that some people fall for it. The source of the quiz and the quiz itself are not impartial or objective. 5 economic and 5 social issues where the majority of Americans feel the gov't should keep their noses out were chosen for the 10 questions. A Republican could just as easily copy the 5 economic issues, and find 5 social issues where the gov't should step in, and a Democrat could copy the 5 social issues, and find 5 economic issues where the gov't should step in. How a person votes or affiliates themselves politically can hardly ever be summed up or figured out so easily as that quiz would suggest, and more importantly that no matter how attractive simplistic extremist one-size-fits all dogmas like Libertarianism don't work in the real world. Real Libertarians are anarchists. And the kicker is that anarchy is not natural. Nature, especially human nature, lends itself to order. That's not to say that I disagree with Libertarians though. I used to consider myself a left-leaning Libertarian. Indeed I believe that before my life is over Libertarians will have effectively replaced Republicans as our country's second party, and it will be a vast improvement. But enough of that rambling, Zodiac is waiting.

I'll try to clean this up a little...

First of all Zodiac, your many calls for evidence have been pre-emptively provided. Click the ACLU link. It's not very often I'll humor someone like you by leading you by the hand so don't expect this service ever again. I've got my own homework to attend to.

SORRY MABO, THEY WERE ALL ELECTED BY FELLOW AMERICANS.

No shit? Just like Hitler was elected? Let's not play the divine majority card. No one in their heart of hearts actually believes that the majority is always right. Or even knows what's going on. If the American majority was always right, then the Iraq war was wrong, then it was right, and then it was wrong again. And if world-wide majority knew it all, the issue would have never come up, and Bush would be stripped and beaten. President Bush certainly doesn't give a shit about the majority. 69% of Americans wanted an independent investigation of the White House CIA leak. Did one happen? Hell no, the Justice Department investigated itself and came up with (big surprise) nothing. But enough of that, you get the idea. People don't always know what's best for them.

I WOULD LIKE YOU MABO TO SUBMIT PROOF OF THIS AT SOME POINT

Here, here, and here.

WHICH RIGHTS SIR HAVE YOU LOST IN PARTICULAR? OR ARE YOU JUST SPOUTING OFF?

The FBI now has the power to access your most private medical records, your library records, and your student records... and can prevent anyone from telling you it was done. These are not idle powers. The FBI uses these new authorities on a consistent basis. And not in the interest of our national security. I'm sure Emersonia could tell you a lot about that. =]

NO CONSERVATIVE JUDGES WHO DON'T LET CRIMINALS GO FREE LIKE LIBERALS LIKE YOU WOULD

Now I would like to ask you for some proof. What gives you the idea that I want lenient judges? I assure you that I do not. I simply want judges who do their job by interpreting the law. Interpreting the Constitution instead of trying to change it to serve their own personal agendas.

LIKE JAILING THOSE WHO WOULD KILL YOU AND ME FOR NO REASON THAT YOU AND I WOULD CONSIDER ACCEPTABLE?

Avalon be damned, I'm going to put this into quantitative terms that you can understand.

I am just as concerned for my safety as you are for yours. In fact I've fought for your safety overseas in the U.S. Air Force intelligence community for years. Violating Human Rights Laws does not make us any more safe. At all. Those people we are holding without charges or lawyers (among other violations) have families, friends and the world's attention. Families, friends and observers who now hate us. We're creating far more enemies than we are stopping.

Do you remember back to 9-11? After the attacks the world loved us. They watched the planes crash over and over with us. From the Palestinian Territories to Germany ("Today we are all Americans") to Zimbabwe, the world was with us. They were with us against Afghanistan, and they were our greatest asset. Now we've thrown that asset away for what? For some uncharged detainees which we are now letting go? For a war against an impotent Iraq while we watch North Korea build nukes? We've lost the world, and we've lost our moral high ground. What do we have left?

AGAIN, GIVE EXAMPLES PLEASE

Here. There was also the California recall, the Florida recount (or lack thereof), Clinton getting impeached for lying about a blowjob (never mind Bush lying in order to take his country to war).

A PARTSAIN RIGHT WHICH I DON'T AGREE WITH YET I DON'T SEE THE ERA DEFEATED...DO YOU?

Abortion hasn't been made illegal yet, no. But steps have been made. Certain kinds of abortion have been made illegal and there is no question that a good portion of the right-wing would like to see it abolished completely.

That is not to mention all the little ways in which sex education has been restricted.

A MATTER OF POLITICAL OPINION I WOULD THINK

YADA YADA YADA YOUR OPION WHICH IS BASELESS

YES FROM LEFTIST LIBERALS LIKE YOU WHO WOULD LIMIT MY FREE SPEECH IN THE NAME OF YOUR FREE SPEECH

I want to limit your free speech? You sure seem to know a lot about me.

I would never argue against your right to free speech unless it directly put someone in danger, or violated someone else's rights. (Like if you forced your voice on people who didn't want to hear it by yelling in a bullhorn outside their door or something). All that I ask, all that I demand is your tolerance. You can hate blacks, gays, and the Backstreet Boys as much as you want, and say it as much as you want. I challenge you to back up what you're saying and find me an instance where liberals are trying to limit your free speech.

YES PUSHED BY A VAST MAJORITY OF SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN....YOUR ARGUEMENT IS SUCH A JOKE

You're citing momentum as a justification for itself? Were your ancestors nazis? Sooner or later you're going to have to figure out the real reasons why you choose to defend the things that you defend. You can't even use the partisan excuse, since there are prominent conservative voices against the PATRIOT Act.

AGAIN MABO, EXAMPLES ARE APPROPRIATE HERE...OR IS EVERYTHING YOU SAY MERELY.....DOGMA? YES, I LIKE IT WHEN PARTISAN PEOPLE TALK OUT OF THEIR ARSE.

=D

Looking back, I think this post has been a horrible waste of time and I'm sure you agree so don't be surprised when I don't grace you with another one. =]

Now off to find out where your countries are...

;-)

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