| Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 08:54 am |
Well .. you all know my position on the matter.
I would like to point out however, even I believe if you've been warned, given adequate time, and you don't move it's nobody's fault but your own.
If you are messaged at the start of the war you've got time to request a move and keep that person informed on it's status.
Once a war starts and that person begins destroying things they have to finish it or it's going to cost much more in hardware for them to take it.
I've personally gotten one of Tamara's "warnings" and found it direct and to the point leaving no doubt what my course of action should be.
I find it hard to believe Tamara is at fault in this.
| Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 09:54 am |
How long? One month? Less? That is NOT long enough for him to have a fair chance of saving his corp. What are the chances he even logged in in that period of time? And even if he did cancel the build, he would have lost over 4 months of build-time.
Everyone here who checks a c3 before they build in it, raise their hands. I never have. The taxes are always the same, and the country is always the same. I've built hundreds and hundreds of ceo corps in c3s without checking them since I've been playing, and not once have I found a surprise afterwards for lack of investigation. Imperio building in a c3 that was about to be taken is a 1 in a thousand phenomenon and it simply isn't worth the time and effort of anyone to check for that every time they build a corporation in a c3.
In my eyes he did not have a fair chance of saving his assets, and for that he rightly deserves recompensation of one and only one corporation. If it was really important that you couldn't wait 1 more day to start your attack Tamara, then I think this should be a small price to pay.
I don't think one corporation is enough to fight over. For either of you.
Hopefully Tamara's message was only short and concise in a relatively polite way (as I suspect is the case), and not overtly rude. If so, I personally don't think this needs to escalate Imperio. If he can't bring himself to apologize, fine, it's his nature. Let it be. If he was being a real bastard though, show us the message and you may be asked to stay in the fed during your war. =]
| Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 01:06 pm |
"he would have lost over 4 months of build-time."
I find this to be a very narrow minded statement, I would have also lost 4 months of build time as well in not attacking...
"If it was really important that you couldn't wait 1 more day to start your attack Tamara"
Why should I wait and pay the costs of keeping the war open an addition 4 game months on top of the several I already had for a CEO that built with all the knowledge he was putting himself in the firing line. And does this mean if a CEO builds again in the mean time I wait another 4 game months and another. The line has to be drawn somewhere and Im satisfied where it was drawn.
"Everyone here who checks a c3 before they build in it"
Its a 2 second thing, checking a country for active CEO corps and them messaging them is a task that can take up to and over 10 minutes. Not to mention its not my fault if a CEO doesn't use all the info presented to him/her and I shouldn't have to bare the associated costs of them not looking.
But I didn't come to argue with you, simple put I came to say that the CEO has picked a corp as compensation and I am not gonna make any attempts to stop the transfer. Also I feel this thread was created way too early, this dispute wasn't even talked about between me and the CEO before he posted here.
| Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 06:31 pm |
First of all, I was not so upset that you destroyed my Corp (even though I waited 7 freaking months for the corporation to be built). I could not log in, as my personal life has been hectic as of late. Thatís my fault, I admit. You also caught me in the wrong time. My fault too. But the way that you sent your message was uncalled for. Thatís the only reason I was upset. I would not hurt for you to be polite at least as some of your fed mates were in their messages.
But what ever, Mabo is right, this isnít worth a war.
I only wanted an apology for your not so nice message, not because you destroyed my corp.
Your right, I should have checked the country. I never had before, but guess now Iíll start doing that now.
What ever, I wonít pursue any more conflicts for the sake of the current events.
And unfortunately I did not save the message; I donít do that at all. I should start doing that.
Once again, whatever.
PS: yes it was created a little to early. I apologize for that, I was at the moment a little upset already with some issues in real life. Nevertheless your were still an A$$ in your message.
| Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 06:58 pm |
From: New Tamara To: Colcafe incorporado Real Date: 26-10-2003 13:12:56 World Date: February 06 2141
Subject: Re: Thi is my compensation Message: I have looked at the corporation you have bidded on and pending a few conditions I see no reason interupt the transfer, pending your agreement on these terms I am more than happy for you to take control of the corporation.
From: New Tamara
To: Colcafe incorporado
Real Date: 26-10-2003 13:13:13
World Date: February 06 2141
Subject: Re: Thi is my compensation
Message: The terms; * The corporation isn't moved out of the country. * The corporation isn't closed. * Hiring and Production is set to 100% * The corp name includes "Tamara". * The produce is not "contracted" out. * Upgrades are kept at 200/200. * Salaries are not lowered.
Ummm...that's my compensation? you see, mayb its just me, but if I was to even consider that to be my compensation, I would have to say BULLS*T.
Only corps I would consider keeping in another country other than mine, is in of my fed mates.
I just read the message you sent me, now c'mon, cocky? or is it just me? Rude? Lets see if he messages me back.
| Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 09:01 pm |
Everyone has to do what they believe is necessary in such matters I'm only injecting my thoughts as a third party who has been in a similar situations.
Nobody likes to receive a message stating that you either move or lose your corporation.
Personally I balance the "tone" of such messages with the fact that they did take the time to send it . I don't know about the rest of you but I don't care about who is at war and rarely look at the international news.
I do monitor who is moving into land range of my countries but that's about all when it comes to wars that I even bother with and I don't get that information from the international news. It also won't tell me if I've got a corporation built in a country that has been declared on.
When taking a country employment has to be lowered pure and simple. There are several ways of going about this but the quickest method is to destroy factories. A C3 if given the chance can rebuild not only it's infrastructure but military faster than a player controlled country if that player is relying on purchasing on the open market.
Getting the owner of a corportation to move out is the cheapest method of lowering employment from a military standpoint so, IMHO there is absolutely no reason not to warn people. In fact if it's timed correctly and there are enough CEO's in a country that may be all that's required in that aspect.
I can't fault someone for wanting to start and finish a war ASAP, but if warnings are sent when war is declared there is enough time for everyone to get what they want.
If I'm unable to login or on vacation while I'd be upset, the loss of a corp due to my inaction would have to be considered my fault.
Okay so one party in this disagreement has decided to seek compensation. Quite frankly I don't believe that compensation would be required in this instance but that's the choice someone else has made.
The second person involved in this conflict has decided to allow that compensation but place conditions on it's use. As a President and CEO I personally would have problems with anyone telling me how I could use my assets, so I can see tension there.
It might be best if everyone just stepped back for a moment, took a deep breath and then decide if this is really worth it.
Everyone will have their own ideas on who is right and wrong mostly depending on their affiliation (if they even care).
While I do think it's unreasonable for anyone to expect to place conditions on an asset owned by someone else, I find no fault with Tamara's action in the destruction of a corporation that was warned and given adequate time to move.
| Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 11:13 pm |
As I told New Tamara, I was upset about loosing the corp. I didnít log in time to catch the message. That was my fault. What I was angry about was the way this person messaged me. Not the fact that the corporation was destroyed by the time I got the message.
I decided to attempt to get compensation due to his nasty email. And now as you all see, he tells me that he is going to allow me to buy the corp so that I can run it for him? I donít think so. If I get the corp, I WILL move it and place it were ever I like. I pay for it, so I make the descisions.
But like I said, Iím not going to take this any further.
| Monday, October 27, 2003 - 04:13 am |
Well .. I would have to agree with your attitude in that aspect. If I'm going to buy or build something I'd feel it was mine to do with as I please.
I'd move it, leave it, close it or contract it's production in any manner I saw as being the most beneficial to me.
Where I in your shoes, I'd probably not seek even the compensation due to the fact Tamara did provide warning esp. since it was a new corp.
The "tone" of the letter only has bearing if you choose to make it so. Tamara did what was reasonable, and provided warning, which would bear a great deal of weight in any decision I made.
I'm not in your shoes though and you've decided to seek compensation. The only thing I can say at this point is while I believe Tamara did everything that could reasonably be expected of someone, I can understand why you'd not allow someone to govern use and distribution of your assets.
We are however begining to split off into two seperate set of conditions though.
| Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 09:29 pm |
I'm going to leave this subject alone. I did't get what I wanted from New Tamara, but I did get some degree of satisfaction.
Not because I got his corp, but because of other reasons. If I may add, I did told him that I was not going to raise any bids if the market value happened to go up. I place only one bid, and that was the original.
thats all I have to say.