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Debate Topic: America Bashing (Little Upsilon)

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FarmerBob

Monday, June 9, 2008 - 07:54 pm Click here to edit this post
@ DavePat. The Union won the Civil War my Libertarian friend. States rights are as dead as Bobby Lee.
Wilson was wrong to trust in governments rather than people. Governments will typically act in self interest. Only Human beings possess the quality of compassion.
But yes, America has on ocassion acted as a nation in altruistic manner which is somewhat unique.

@Coen. One reason I despise American involvement in foreign conflicts is that we Americans tend to forget just how thoroughly the peoples of some cultures are capable of hate. Our involvement in the Balkans meltdown was a prime example. Those people hated each other more than they loved themselves. There were no good guys, only bad and worse. There are always innocents in any conflict, but one must consider who one is supporting.
One thing you might want to think about, my friend. If you are not a practicing Muslim with the proper worldview, there are those in the Middle East that hate you too. You are target this very moment whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
American policies since WWII were exclusively influenced by Cold War consideration. We are reaping the harvest from that lack of vision today.
That does not erase the fact, however, that young men and women whose names you will never know, gave up lives, limbs, and sometimes their sanity to secure your rights to express your dislike for this nation.

@Phatz. I agree completely. While we Americans have no monopoly on compassion, selflessness, or nobilty, we also possess is spades those who are motivated by greed, power lust, and self aggrandizement.

@SunTzu. You are correct. The US violated no Treaty or Convention in the invasion of Iraq. Our leadership and military broke no US laws or statutes in doing so. We did, however, act in a contrary manner to the lessons learned through blood in previous conflicts and committed ourselves and the Iraqi people to a course our experience has shown us had small chance of success. Only the professionalism and dedication of our kids executing these horrendously difficult operations have brought the limited success we have enjoyed. The Iraqi peoples are the determining factor to Iraq's fate. If they do not overcome their own hatreds and cultural demons, they are doomed to suffer thier own self inflicted misery. It was naive faith in the Iraqi's that brought on this liberation and I feel that faith was as misplaced as that as we placed in the South Vietnamese. If the Iraqi's want peace and prosperity, they will have it. If they want religious and tribal conflict, they will have it as well. The term is solipsism. There is not a freedom loving American inside every human heart. We see others as we would be.
A dangerous thing when contemplating the lives of our sons and daughters.

@EroticClown. I won't disagree that America pays too much for the wrong things when it comes to defense spending. Of course, our budgets are the playgrounds of self serving politicians, so what do we expect.
Two things though? Don't take care of our own people? At what point, son, can everyone be considered "taken care of"? When everyone has a 3 bedroom split level in the 'burbs with 2 new cars in the driveway and an in ground pool in the backyard? No one in this country need go without food, shelter, or medical care. That is Federal Law right now. Should people for whatever reason choose not to accept the free aid that is available everywhere here, that is not the fault of us collectively.
You credit the UN for acting in place of paralyzed "corrupt" goverments. Should you ever work with the UN or its agencies in any manner, you will soon find out what true corruption is all about.
We, the US, provide the lion's share of UN funding. Simple fact.

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