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| Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 01:55 pm |
Andy. You asked me to keep it short in another thread. Do I need to explain or will you believe me when I say that this issue is game-breaking.
| Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 04:48 pm |
Wow, I actually impressed with Andy's straightforwardness, since he's back. I need to go on that vacation.
Aries, Andy is correct, the investment funds are insignificant. Being based a crappy stock market hasn't helped either. I hope this talk of doing something with that feature isn't vaporware.
Keep up the good work, Andy.
| Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 04:58 pm |
Please explain. I would like to understand this.
also check the game news from yesterday.
I am sure you will discover that when opinions are constructive and well explained, things happen.
| Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 05:13 pm |
I am at work and a longer explanation will come when I get home and have more than my phone. Consider, that it appears the dividend income of all funds is not only lost but is negative. This effects the global economy in general but specifically players who have managed their funds. My funds likely own some 25-30% of the total value of corps in my empire. That proportion of profits is not lost from some olden value of gold coins. That value is lost, and turned negative, today.
Note. My entire account is less than two years old. My funds are all the result of work and planning.
| Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 05:18 pm |
Looking forward to the explanation.
In the mean time:
The dividends from shares you have in any corporation are paid to you, independent of the fund, or its value.
The dividends the fund receives from its share holdings, are added to the fund, not to your country income.
there is no connection between fund income and country income.
| Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 05:30 pm |
I am floored that this is not recognized as a problem. These are my funds. I understand where their cash goes and how they work. With this known, I have spent a lot of time on them. For me, this would be no different than if the next war update took all my weapons or the next country update took all my cash.
| Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 08:05 pm |
Insignificant or not, it has taken me YEARS!!! to build up my IF and to watch is be reduced to nothing is completely unfair.
I understand your trying to update the IF, i like the pages made to the page that gives more info on it, but i just watched around 40 Trillion dissapper from my nation investment fund. How is a player supposed to react?
If you want to change it and make it more manageable or productive thats fine. But you HAVE to inform use and give us insite. Without you to tell use the Issue what am i supposed to think?
| Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 09:20 pm |
1. Aren't these funds "ours"
Up until this sudden change, we assumed these were our funds for our countries. How could we possibly assume otherwise? They are ours to manage. There is a setting that states "Buy and Sell shares for your investment fund automatically.". My fund. right?
2. I thought this was a part of the game I could play and advance in. Well, isn't it?
How serious did I take this? I have a document on my computer that tracks my funds. I can tell you the value of the funds separated into cash and shares for all 9 of my LU countries and a total amount for the last three times I counted them. I have spent dozens of hours managing them.
I don't think I am unique in this Andy but these funds were seriously in the "one more thing I can do category". What I mean is they were what kept the game interesting for me. I hit war level 11 and game level 15. I crushed every PVP opponent I have faced. This is what I do now along with teaching other players the game which I do generously. Can I not do this? You said "The role of the funds is now absolutely insignificant." Don't we have a say in this?
3. I think you underestimate our attachment
If you value my funds so lightly, I want to buy them with account cash (even though I thought they were mine already). You said 1 Trillion for .25 coins. So my funds were worth about $440 Trillion at last count (stocks and cash) so 440 * .25 = 110 coins. Don't see game money for sale but enterprise says current exchange is $36B/coin so 110 * .036 = $3.96 Trillion. I will pay double that. Triple? How about $100 Trillion? All I ask is that my funds work the way they were working already.
The implementation of this sudden change is an attack on trust. The appeal of this game is that you have an opportunity to build things and have your time rewarded. I am willing to risk my things in war but taking away my funds by implying they were not mine to begin with and assuming they magically made themselves valuable without my effort is wrong.
| Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 09:59 pm |
my main argument, is these funds largely were not powered by sim-pop contributions, but corp profits, profits that could have been redirected some where else.
in the month prior to this, i adjusted country settings in 4 countries, to up the dividend pay-in in my main country to the 55-60B/GM range, i'd increased my IF by about 12-15T, then bam! its all gone, 12-15T that i coulda used for upgrades, or products i sell in space. now its just gone
IF, for your average player, are insignificant, this is true, how ever, when one learns how, with skill and patience, an IF, as it stands now, can do some interesting things in a country.
although, before i come to a conclusion on this matter, i'd like to hear what changes the GM are planning, it might be worth the loss of 100T, if that means the feature is made cooler.
so Andy, i'll tell you, WC3, has handled this true to form, you've blind sided long term players, dimishing long term asset stashes, with the promise of newer, cooler features. how about giving us more details, including what will change, and what you need to see changed before you can do that? how long will this take?
as it is, you've just told us that we don't deserve a stash of cash we've spent years building, while hinting at features, which you have a high tendency to string out for years, if you ever get around to it at all!