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Nazism!!! Is there any nazis here or people who hate nazis? (Little Upsilon)

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Coen Hyde (White Giant)

Saturday, June 7, 2008 - 03:54 am Click here to edit this post
Just learn to fucking spell and i'll be happy.

Wyatt Bounaparte and Maria Bounaparte (Fearless Blue)

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 01:53 am Click here to edit this post
Thx for your stunning vocab Coen!!!! :p

DEFCON (Kebir Blue)

Monday, June 16, 2008 - 10:09 am Click here to edit this post
Wow, what a tool. BAD tard, BAD >.<

Andreja Gligorijevic (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, September 4, 2008 - 01:34 am Click here to edit this post
Hmm... coming late into the debate, here's my 2 pfennings:

Fascism (as opposed to Nazi-ism) does NOT contain any inherent racial superiority issues. It is, as practiced by Musollini, a centrist government and a coalition of the center-leaning "wings".

A SPECIES: simply, you're a separate species, if you cannot produce viable offspring with homo sapiens. Since all so called "races" do not fit that bill, we're ONE species.

Now, since we broached the subject of Nazi-ism, here's a few "problems" with Hitler's mis-reading of Nietzsche:

#1) Eugenics: don't know how A-dolt missed this one, but what was advocated was MIXING of the races, to create a SUPERIOR human breed. What was NOT called for was "racial seggregation" or the assumption of one race being above others. Simply put, each race has its heights, and it's lows. Like with dogs, where traits are bred, and re-inforced, same should have been applied to humans.

#2) German Superiority: I'll leave this alone, and let the author make his own point:
"German spirit - for the last 100 years, a contradiction in terms."
F. Nietzsche

#3) The "Jewish Question": only way Nietzche's works can be read as proto-nazi are by butchering them; while he does write (occasionally) some bad sentences about jews, he frequently surrounds them with paragraphs of praise.

Politically speaking:

Democracy and Communism are the Ideal forms of government - for drones, not individuals - most especially NOT HUMANS.

Fascism is the ONLY choice, ONLY alternative that doesn't destroy the free market, or concentrates power in ONE person. But, it of course begs the question: who are the elite, and what is their function? (Fascism, most commonly being described as the rule of the elite)

Well, my personal view is simple, elite should be arbitrarily chosen for their specialties. Credo experto - believe him who has tried.
Once so chosen, it is their DUTY to educate the general population to their level of expertise. The end result will be a population that will be able to CREATE a form of government that Marx foretold of that would transcend capitalism. We, now, could not even concieve of such a society.

FarmerBob

Thursday, September 4, 2008 - 05:35 am Click here to edit this post
Expertise at WHAT, exactly?

And by whose measure?

Does competence confer moral authority?

sfo Treasurer (White Giant)

Thursday, September 4, 2008 - 07:27 am Click here to edit this post
I am an expert of L O V E.

I am measured by Laguna often.

My L O V E making is competent, moral, AND sometimes when Laguna lets me play with the whip...

.....VERY AUTHORITATIVE.

Michael Morrison (White Giant)

Thursday, September 4, 2008 - 07:59 am Click here to edit this post
Wow! This thread died...like...4 months ago....

uummm....Democracy = ideal government for Drones, NOT HUMANS? Are you kidding me?? It is the ONLY form of government in which people get to actually CHOOSE their leaders...Well, considering the US is not a Democracy, but uses forms of Democratic institutions, it is still the best damn form of government FOR individuals that man has ever devised and put into practice successfully. Show me a fascist state in which the peoples' liberties were protected, while still being a success, and I'll show you someone who will admit he is wrong. No, I cannot think of even a single one. The English Empire is THE closest thing I could possibly think of, but then again, that was a monarchy, not a fascist state. Plus most of the people who had any liberties, which were protected, were only the elite of the society anyway.

Rather, while we are not a democracy, we ARE a Republic. Even the ancient Greek/Roman Republics knew that a true Democracy cannot function once it gets to have a population larger than even a few thousand. We are the first modern country with freedom of the press/speech, which has survived for over 200 years. That is a very individualistic/basic HUMAN right that is protected. Same with freedom of religion, habeas corpus, a free market system, open forums, public debates, public elections...damn, sounds very much like a humanistic society to me....

Andreja Gligorijevic (Little Upsilon)

Sunday, September 7, 2008 - 04:20 pm Click here to edit this post
MM: that was my point; and I have never implied that the US was a democracy - actually, I never mentioned any countries, did I?

Now, democracy and fascism are at the opposite spectrums when dealing with populations. One is a tyranny of the majority, the other of the minority.

And, while I beg to disagree on the issue of democracies not being able to function, in our age, beyond a few thousand....

Damn, g2g....

Andreja Gligorijevic (Little Upsilon)

Sunday, September 7, 2008 - 05:31 pm Click here to edit this post
Farmer Bob: since morality is not something that exists outside the debate room, and competence (in a way) does... that issue can be glossed over as non-relevant.

Expertise, on the other hand, while never explicitly defined, is something that exists, and can be gained.

Now, by who's measure is an issue that is, well... less clear. But, standards (in this case) dictate that the larger the group that is excluded, the closer the used measure is to the applicable measure?

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