Simcountry Home   Simcountry Documentation   Simcountry Documentation   Simcountry Terminology
online games, multiplayer games
bullet Simcountry is an Online Digital World where you are the President of a country.
bullet No download needed!
What is Simcountry?
Beginners Info
What is Simcountry?
| | | | |
Previous Thread: When will supply exploit be fixed? (Golden Rainbow)
Next Thread: In re Jurisdiction of New Little Upsilon Order (Little Upsilon)

Ideological Options (Fearless Blue)

Simcountry: Simcountry Bulletin Board  Ideological Options (Fearless Blue)

James the fair (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, November 3, 2011 - 12:49 am Click here to edit this post
Well i'm sure Wendy put a load of comments about it, has the gamemaster removed them? as I can't see it on here anymore?

Appreciated_Customer (Fearless Blue)

Thursday, November 3, 2011 - 02:04 am Click here to edit this post
Yeah /me thinks some people are in denial and in the business of suppression and the continuation of ignorance and malignant history. It is their forum. Erase if they must. It is senseless provocation but one must wonder to what end. I think we all have noticed and ignored qualifying circumstances to serve each need and purpose to do that which pleases them on this forum. Which is why I call BS. :)

James the fair (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, November 3, 2011 - 02:41 am Click here to edit this post
I read up about that deputy general of Hermann goeing who you said was a Jew, I read about it on 'Wikipedia'.

Appreciated_Customer (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, November 3, 2011 - 03:43 am Click here to edit this post
I never said he was a Jew. You misread. It would be nice if my posts weren't erased so we could confirm what was said. I'll take my own word for it though, lol.

Goering Produced a forged birth certificate for a Half Jewish/Aryan Field Marshall in order to keep his Jewish parentage a secret. Hitler signed the document with the full knowledge that the Field Marshall was a half Jew

James the fair (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, November 3, 2011 - 04:05 am Click here to edit this post
Well maybe you did'nt say that here as I might have been putting words into your mouth there, but the thing I want to know is, is a Jew a nationality, race or religion?

Half Jewish/Aryan (your quote)

You described him as a mixed race person here. Like as if you're describing a Jew as a 'race'.

Jewish parentage (your quote)

Then you described him as a nationality or religion.

So which one do you think it is Wendy? because it's been bugging me for such a long time about this.

Jo Salkilld (White Giant)

Thursday, November 3, 2011 - 04:32 am Click here to edit this post
According to Jewish people, it is passed down through the mother. In other words, if your mother was Jewish (even if your father wasn't) you are Jewish. If your father was Jewish, but your mother wasn't, you aren't Jewish. You can convert to Judaism, but you're not Jewish, you're a convert to Judaism. There is no such thing as a half-Jew.

It's a race, and a religion. If your mother was Jewish, you can deny the faith, but you are still Jewish. But the race is only passed-down through the female line. According to the Jews, Goering wasn't Jewish, since his father was Jewish, but not his mother. I doubt Hitler cared about the subtleties.

Does that explain it James?

Hugs and respect


Soldier (Fearless Blue)

Thursday, November 3, 2011 - 07:29 am Click here to edit this post


Thus we can see that individual greed does drive war but it is justified, by the individuals to the collective, via other means.

You missed the middleman: the statesman, the politician, the elected official. These men are accountable because they have been given the power with an understanding that they have the responsibility to uphold the laws and integrity of the nation - and defaulted on that responsibility (in this hypothetical situation).

Personally (not representative of a capitalist state), I'd require all elected officials to be veterans - with the idea being that they might exercise their authority with more responsibility. Maybe not, you never can tell. The problem though is elected officials defaulting on their responsibility. Of course, I don't think this is a common problem (you might squack at that judging by the type of videos you watch).

Anyway, we were discussing the differences between fascism and an ideologically capitalist state:
A capitalist state must have an all-volunteer military.
A capitalist state does not subsidize, bail-out, or otherwise give special privileges to any business.
A capitalist state might not (depending on who you ask) have any public education or infrastructure. If it does, it is minimal.
A capitalist state does not break or enforce monopolies or partner with corporate interests.
Basically, a capitalist state constitutionally enforces a separation of economy and state. A fascist state does not do this. Well, it basically deals with people by groups, the unions and corporations... and is inclined to intervene in the economy. It's a little complicated, but basically, the fascists don't like capitalism and consider their system an alternative to laissez faire (which is capitalism proper).

Hmm, how about a quote from wikipedia: "In economics, fascists oppose economic liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a proletarian movement) for being class-based movements. Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that advocates resolving economic class conflict to secure national solidarity. Fascists advocate: a state-directed, regulated economy that is dedicated to the nation; the use and primacy of regulated private property and private enterprise contingent upon service to the nation or state; the use of state enterprise where private enterprise is failing or is inefficient; and autarky."

That clearly opposes deregulation and complete protection of property. Anyway, the collectivist values and rights primacy that I mentioned earlier is in reference to the historical factors of ultra-nationalism and racism. A fascist state minus the ultra-nationalism is just basically a corporatist state... which is noted by moderate to heavy regulation of private industry, the existence of special favors and privileges for companies, bailouts, subsidies, etc. It's not that complicated... fascism is opposed to classical liberalism - along with being opposed to Marxism while capitalism is classical liberalism.

Anyway, I'm sure you got all sorts of ammo to launch if I get started on the Middle East, so I'm just going to say this: I think greed, "war for oil" is all BS (I'm American btw). I think my politicians are talking straight (usually) and believe the reasons they're stating are sincere (mostly). I think I mentioned that I don't necessarily agree that we have a duty to liberate nations or police the world, but I think most, not all, of my politicians have nothing but the best intentions. I disagree with those intentions often.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

There is much, much more stupidity in this world than malice. Furthermore, I think you're a fool to say that greed is the motivating factor of most wars that have occurred. My tone must've been lost somewhere... do you honestly think my scenario is likely to occur? That an industry lobbyist would be capable of bribing an elected statesmen to start a war?

Part of my point was that we were talking about a very small number of wars that could qualify for that situation, and even then, most of the support for the war comes about from other pre-existing factors (without such support, the war never occurs). If you were blind to that, I'm not sure we can carry on a discussion.

Another thing I should make clear. I'm using collective in a very specific sense. -- A group of individuals becomes a collective when they have conceded that the "whole is greater than the sum of its parts" so to speak, when each person has placed the interests of the group above their own. Anything else would be a group of individuals. "The individual good is opposed to the collective good." is thus basically self-evident. Of course, this wouldn't at all mean that the good of an individual opposed the good of many individuals.


The notion of the individual versus the collective is where we have disagreed. I'm not usually one to reference political initiatives, but this video sums up my individual position on capitalism.

Hell, after this, I realize that we're probably not even living in the same world. Look, you can live in your fantasy world where a system with complex methods of control is enslaving you and there's the boogie man left and right. I'm living in a world where most people are doing what they think is best (I'll die before I agree with some people's "best", but nonetheless, I believe someone when they say their ideal). For example, if communism seems to you a paradise, for me, it will always be slavery. Of course, I said "communism is slavery" before... For all your repetitions, I'm not sure that you've quite grasped the idea that I understand exactly what the ideal of pure communism is - and it horrifies me. I mean you heard "parasites and hosts" and just assumed that I was referencing de facto communism. Nope, pure idealistic communism - I meant that the ideal was parasitism excusing itself as virtue. Anyway, it seems that you're more opposed to capitalism because you think it is fascism and greed causes wars... don't be silly. It's not a very broad concept: free market, strong negative rights of life, liberty, and property, very limited powers of government, minimal to zero social programs. Maybe you see idealistic capitalism as selfishness excusing itself as virtue. If so, I'd agree and say that selfishness is virtue. A lot more stuff, but I think I'm about done. I dunno, I can see where many people might dislike the idea that nobody owes them nothing. That doesn't make them any less parasitical, but I can understand it.

Simcountry Introduction